Thursday, May 12, 2005

 

Condi On 2nd Amendment

I figure I have posted enough controversial stuff for the week; ticked off/alienated enough people so how about a harmless story about Condi Rice? Secretary of State Condi Rice explains why we need a Second Amendment:
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, recalling how her father took up arms to defend fellow blacks from racist whites in the segregated South, said Wednesday the constitutional right of Americans to own guns is as important as their rights to free speech and religion.

In an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live," Rice said she came to that view from personal experience. She said her father, a black minister, and his friends armed themselves to defended the black community in Birmingham, Ala., against the White Knight Riders in 1962 and 1963. She said if local authorities had had lists of registered weapons, she did not think her father and other blacks would have been able to defend themselves.

Any liberals want to argue with her?
Comments:
Short answer: not me.
 
A wise decision I think!
 
I would never argue that there is no need for our Second Amendment.

But I do take issue with her suggestion that a common sense system of registering weapons today, not unlike the way we register automobiles, would violate the 2nd Amendment or that it would lead to government confiscation of said weapons.

Do criminals have a Constitutional right to carry a weapon? You would think so the way the NRA makes it impossible for the government to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
 
Oy, I was just trying to post an interesting personal interest story and I open up a can of worms! Aaaargh!
 
But I do take issue with her suggestion that a common sense system of registering weapons today, not unlike the way we register automobiles, would violate the 2nd Amendment or that it would lead to government confiscation of said weapons.

Mike, I think you missed the context of her claim: 1962 Alabama. Of COURSE, the white bigots running the local government would have abused the weapon registration system to keep blacks from exercising their right to bear arms.
 
But Mark, the reason she told her story was to bolster her pro-gun credentials and support the NRA's anti-gun registration position.

I understood the context, but I also understand that she intends it as a lesson for today. But just because the white bigots would have abused a registration system back then does not mean it should not be used today. That's like saying we should shut down the public transportation system because white bigots in the 60s forced blacks to sit at the back of the bus.
 
I just know I am going to regret bringing this up, but Mike, can we at least shut down Amtrak?
 
I haven't kept up with all the pro and con arguments about Amtrak. But I did appreciate it when I lived in Connecticut and we could hop on the train in New Haven and ride all the way to Grand Central Station, spend the day in Manhattan, and then ride back, all the while avoiding the nightmare of driving or parking in New York City.
Does that mean it should get federal subsidies? I don't know, but I'm sure if you take the Amtrak subsidy away from the urban states they are going to demand that the rural states give up some of their cherished subsidies as well.
 
But just because the white bigots would have abused a registration system back then does not mean it should not be used today.

Just because it won't be abused today (dangerous assumption considering who is in power) is no assurance that it won't be abused in the future.
 
Re: Amtrak. The government no doubt spends far more building highways, etc then on subsidizing Amtrak. A diverse transportation system is an important goal, in my opinion.
 
Speaking of NY City -- they have effectively outlawed guns. First they registered them, then they outlawed them. Ditto for Washington, D.C. It wasn't the gun laws that cleaned up NYC--it was the "arrest the criminal when he does something stupid so he's not out doing something violent" policy they took a few years back. What about D.C.? I shudder at being caught in much of D.C. at night.

When guns are outlawed, the criminals are happy that only they have guns.

As for Condi -- CONDI FOR PRESIDENT! RUN RICE RUN!

Ranten N. Raven
 
But I do take issue with her suggestion that a common sense system of registering weapons today, not unlike the way we register automobiles, would violate the 2nd Amendment or that it would lead to government confiscation of said weapons.


Anti-gunners always try to correlate registering cars to registering guns...sorry but it just doesn't fly. Cars are not a right guarenteed buy the Bill of Rights whereas firearms are.

You would think so the way the NRA makes it impossible for the government to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

Your ignorance of the issue shows from this statement. The NRA is not stopping the government from keeping guns out of the hands of criminals. There are over 22,000+ gun control laws on the books. Get the DA's to quit dropping the gun charges when they plea out a felon and instead prosecute them for the crime instead of trying to add more laws and registrations that will only affect law-abiding citizens. If you want to see the results of gun registration in history then consider when Hitler used the gun registration Germany had in place to confiscate guns from the Jews. Or for something more current, Rwanda in 1994, where 800,000 Tutsi citizens were killed. Let's see, Rwanda has gun registration for guns and ammunition. Seems like it did those 800k people alot of good eh? And there are more, this is just a small sample. Additionally, why don't you look to our neighbors to the north and see how effective their gun registry has been for fighting crime.
It has just been a giant waste of money with nothing to show for it. It has cost over $1 billion so far (500 times more than the cost stated to get it inacted).

If you think the socialists in the government would not hesitate to use a registry to confiscate guns in the future then you are very naive. By their nature, socialsts want people to depend on the government for everything and someone that owns a gun and believes the security of their family is their responsibility just doesn't fit the socialist agenda. A registry would only end up making law-abiding people a sitting target and not do a damn thing to keep guns away from criminals. Oh, one other recent example of this is is in Australia where they had registration. Well, it sure made it easy for them to know who had the guns when they decided to confiscate and destroy 640,381 personal firearms. Sorry but registration of firearms is not something I expect from the US government. They have 22,000+ laws on the books to enforce against criminals...


Stace

NRA Endowment Member
NRA Certified Pistol Instructor
NRA Certified Rifle Instructor
Texas State Rifle Association Life Member
Law Enforcement Alliance of America Life Member
 
Ugh, my apologies for the typos...I was distracted by someone asking me questions and I did not proof-read it prior to hitting submit. < sigh >

Stace
 
Stace,

Anyone who is a certified rifle instructor with the NRA will be forgiven a few tyops.
 
Hi Commando. Just to prevent a little confusion here (probably I'm the only one confused), I have posted here in the past as Stace, but I am not the person who commented above. I am not a firearms instructor, but I'm very interested in 2A issues, and the comment above sums up the gun registration problem PERFECTLY.

Instapundit expanded on Condi's theme with this link to his 2002 article:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,65889,00.html

To sum up, no genocide has ever been prevented or stopped by the "international community".

And no genocide has ever been perpetrated on an armed populace.
 
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